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Postby Benny » Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:03 am

Yes folks! The Democrats finally did not screw it this time and I'm so glad.

This is a great day for America, the World and democracy.

I've been watching CNN via stream all night and it was so awesome when Obama was finally announced President elect.
I am also glad to have heard Senator Mc Cain speak so good words, that was his best speach of the year, it really came from the heart.

Did anybody else watch the election and what's your opinion on it? Would be great if our American friends would share their feelings and (if they want) why they voted for which candidate. :)


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Re: Obama is President!

Postby TrooperDavinFelth » Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:27 pm

I would say the speech by McCain was fine and dandy for... For... For...

For someone who didn't even care about pulling the Republicans through! :x

I mean, look at his campaign! He only really got on fire in the last couple days! I wanted, in the primary, the following candidates:

Huckabee(until he started saying stuff about closing Guantanamo and such), Romney(for being awesome :D ), and Thompson(VP for Romney!). Then when McCain won I was by and large depressed. Until of course Sarracuda came alone. ;)

Then I'd support him for sure...

But the only problem with McCain is that he doesen't care if he gets it or not; he just wants to be this week's front runner guy... He doesen't even care about what his party thinks of him. He just wanted to run, and that hurt.



Anyways, I hope you folks are OK with higher spending, higher taxes, open borders, limited crime regulation, and irresponsibly running away from our enemies so they can follow us all the way back and attack us in our very country. :cry:

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Ah well, I'm just depressed about it all... Don't mind me...

P.S. Benny, if you could be so kind as to clear up Obama's REAL tax plan drop me a PM. I really don't understnad how it helps Middle Class Working Class families.
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Re: Obama is President!

Postby xwingyoda » Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:58 pm

OK guys a friendly reminder just in case I know that politics and religion can lead to heated discussions so chill out mates :geek:

As for me I'm part Republican and part Democrat and I don't trust any of those 2 candidates so yippy :geek:

The only thing that scares me is what will happen if Obama is shot before taking office on january 20th: in this case the Chamber of representatives will pick a President and we have great chances to have... Hilary :x

Lets see what will happen, but the rsults wuill be interesting to witness ;)

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Re: Obama is President!

Postby snefroe » Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:11 pm

weeeell... no doubt Obama represents the new generation and blablabla, but from a European approach, he's not all that good. Obama will ask Europe to spend more in the military, to do more in Iraq and Afghanistan, he will take measures to protect the US labour market and economy. McCain, on the other, is a strong believer of US power and open economy. It'll probably become more difficult for European companies to trade in the US and we, European nations, probably won't be able to hide behide the America's back in military matters any more... so, for us, contrary what everybody seem to think here in Belgium, Obama is not really a fantastic choice. Neither is McCain, though. Both parties are so far to the right on the polical scale, compared to European parties, that neither would even get 5% of the votes...
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Re: Obama is President!

Postby AK-47 » Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:09 pm

Yes, quite happy it happened. Loved Obama's speech- especially the part about a new puppy in the white house :D

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Re: Obama is President!

Postby Vader » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:57 pm

Well from the 2 you could vote for i would say the best man won, how he does is something only time will tell.

But i do wish him luck.
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Re: Obama is President!

Postby Shacala » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:39 pm

I voted for Obama. Although statewide props here in California were disappointing.
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Re: Obama is President!

Postby VBBN » Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:42 am

Okay, now Obama winning is a little upsetting to me.

Firstly, we are in a "crisis" at the moment, because of the recent presidents, or so the people say. And thusly, the people think that it is because of the Republicans. Thusly, they voted for Obama, as a test of if the Democrats could help the crisis. However, in truth, the situation will only become worse with a Democratic leader. Troops are being pulled from Iraq, thus increased risk of threats. The lower class is being helped by the Upper class's money, which is NOT what taxes should be for. It is up to things such as our Churchs to pay for them.
Seondly, the crisis will become worse, because unrest would form from the upper classes. Without a middle class to support the lower class, what good is a Democrat? Now I come from an upper class family, and thusly I am a Republican.
Thirdly: Now please, don't backstab me or think I am racist, but is America ready for a black President? At this moment in time, no. Just a comment on my part.
Next, Obama and McCain are both great people. They both sparked my interest. It is their ideas, that made me dislike them. Obama was a great speaker, but I just don't think his idea of change is what my family's idea of change is.
McCain, had a strong chance of winning. But Palin brought him down. Undoubtedly, picking a female was a wise choice. Picking Sarah Palin, was not. Every time she went on to speak, she said something, that didn't help her or McCain much.

Just my two cents.

And on a nother note, we now have a President who refuses to put his hand on his heart to the Pledge of Allegiance. I am not fond of this at all.

Granted, Obama may change this country, and either help it, or hurt it. Let's hope it's the help part of it.


The only thing that scares me is what will happen if Obama is shot before taking office on january 20th: in this case the Chamber of representatives will pick a President and we have great chances to have... Hilary

Biden would probably take place though.
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Re: Obama is President!

Postby DoubleT » Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:09 am

"And on a nother note, we now have a President who refuses to put his hand on his heart to the Pledge of Allegiance. I am not fond of this at all."

Now dont get me wrong, i have no problem we USA, but i have a problem, and I know atleast many danes that feel the same.. The United States of America is ofen too patriotic... Again dont get me wrong its great that you love your contry but dont over do it... Evrything taken to the exstreme is bad....

Obama loves The USA, i am sure of this... And its nice with some new blood. The Last 8 years have bin bad. Sometimes its nice with a reboot..

The war in Afghanistan has to be focused on, there are some bad people there, and the situation is not under control. Iraq though is a mess, they got the money now and oil.. Sure we all should help them, but its time for them t ostand on there own feet.. We dont the oil, we have to think about Earth he he

Another problem is Americas problem with socialisme. Your not a kommunist just becourse you want a system that takes care of others...

Good that Obama won, but now i am courius what impact Obamas policys will have on the world..
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Re: Obama is President!

Postby VBBN » Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:13 am

Oh believe me, I'm not over patriotic, I just think that someone who sponsers the American troops now should support them. :)
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Re: Obama is President!

Postby DoubleT » Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:23 am

You really think that Obama dont suport the troops?? Come on, the bad guys dont did not come from Iraq but Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iran.. Maybe Obama want to focus on the real dangers.. There might be weapons of mass destruction there he he

Here in Denamrk we love the contry, but we uses the flag for birthdays, football games and family related stuff. We dont put the flag evry where, but that dont mean that we dont love our contry..

Futher more.... I never got why point that the poor get more to eat, just becourse the rich uses more money on fine french wine and cars from Germany?

Maybe the contry would be better if people could get a good health care, and a good education, no matter where you come from, or who you are....
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Re: Obama is President!

Postby VBBN » Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:36 am

Precisely. My family buys very fine cars and such, and we own a lot of stock. But with the market as it is, and more taxes, a real problem develops.

If he helps our troops, and get's us out of a financial crisis, then perhaps choosing a Democratic President was the right choice. Here is luck to you, Barack!
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Re: Obama is President!

Postby xwingyoda » Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:39 am

Like I said previously I am half Republican and half Democrat. And what all the experiences I had in the US taught me is that the country needs to reform and that election has the potential to make America a really powerfull country.

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Re: Obama is President!

Postby 5150 Lego » Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:39 am

First, let me start by saying, that i am pround, and alittle relieved that Barak Obama has been elected President of the United States! I strongly feel that the country was spirling out of control and he is the one man that has a very good chance of bringing this country back on its feet. GO Barak!!

I have to say i am very surprised with the content of the responses to this thread. I guess thats a sign of the media putting in its 2 cents.

TrooperDavinFelth wrote:Anyways, I hope you folks are OK with higher spending, higher taxes, open borders, limited crime regulation, and irresponsibly running away from our enemies so they can follow us all the way back and attack us in our very country.


having 3 cousins serving in the U.S. armed forces, i can atest that staying in Iraq is not helping the situation. Many seem to think that we need to stay and "Win this war!" I got news for you.... Its been 8 years, with many lives lost, and we still haven't caught the very man we are looking for. There's nothing to win. Its really sad when those fighting the war don't even know what there fighting for.

If McCain were elected he would have continued to poor money into the war.... A war that at this point has no end in sight. He said himslef that he was going to make the war in Iraq his main priority. That mean the U.S.'s econemy was going to come second. You can't have a strong military if your econemy is weak. That is a known fact no matter what country your from.


snefroe wrote:weeeell... no doubt Obama represents the new generation and blablabla, but from a European approach, he's not all that good. Obama will ask Europe to spend more in the military, to do more in Iraq and Afghanistan, he will take measures to protect the US labour market and economy. McCain, on the other, is a strong believer of US power and open economy. It'll probably become more difficult for European companies to trade in the US and we, European nations, probably won't be able to hide behide the America's back in military matters any more... so, for us, contrary what everybody seem to think here in Belgium, Obama is not really a fantastic choice. Neither is McCain, though. Both parties are so far to the right on the polical scale, compared to European parties, that neither would even get 5% of the votes...


Completely usless comparison. To completely differnt countries ran two completely differnt ways. No doubt that if a European Goverment offical tried to run for a postion in the United States with the Pricipals of a european country they wouldn't be given the time of day.


VBBN wrote:Okay, now Obama winning is a little upsetting to me.

Firstly, we are in a "crisis" at the moment, because of the recent presidents, or so the people say. And thusly, the people think that it is because of the Republicans. Thusly, they voted for Obama, as a test of if the Democrats could help the crisis. However, in truth, the situation will only become worse with a Democratic leader. Troops are being pulled from Iraq, thus increased risk of threats. The lower class is being helped by the Upper class's money, which is NOT what taxes should be for. It is up to things such as our Churchs to pay for them.


Hmm.... Lets see. When democratic Bill clinton left the office of the presidency after serving his term,the U.S. had a Surplus in money. The econemy was at its best, and the U.S was thriving. Then bring in Republican President Gorge Bush.
In the 8 years he's been president he's put this country in the most finacial debt its ever been in, has created the worst economic crises since the great depression. So yes, i would say him, along with the republican party are largely responsible for were the U.S. is today. John McCain sided with Bush 90% of the time from everything to tax increases to the war. Electing him would have been another 4 years of Bush, thus another 4 years of debt.
Pulling troops from Iraq does not mean that the threat in the U.S.increases. Heck, the war needs to be fought in Afganistan if any were.


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Seondly, the crisis will become worse, because unrest would form from the upper classes. Without a middle class to support the lower class, what good is a Democrat? Now I come from an upper class family, and thusly I am a Republican.


So automaticly all upper class are republican? Thats a preety assanising statment. I know plenty of upper class democrats.

And how does giving tax breaks to the wealthy help the situation? (this was John McCains plan.)

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Thirdly: Now please, don't backstab me or think I am racist, but is America ready for a black President? At this moment in time, no. Just a comment on my part.


Wow..... As an African American, ya,i do take that as a racist statment.

But instead of throughing a bunch of negative coments your way, but i'll give you a chance to explain this.
Why is it VBBN, in your opinion, that America is not ready for a black president. Taking into concideration that America did in fact vote him into office... By a land slide.


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Next, Obama and McCain are both great people. They both sparked my interest. It is their ideas, that made me dislike them. Obama was a great speaker, but I just don't think his idea of change is what my family's idea of change is.
McCain, had a strong chance of winning. But Palin brought him down. Undoubtedly, picking a female was a wise choice. Picking Sarah Palin, was not. Every time she went on to speak, she said something, that didn't help her or McCain much.

Just my two cents.


I will agree that choosing Sara Palin was his biggest mistake. I absolutly can't stand that women. Your absolutly correct that nearly ever time she opened her mouth she either hurt herself,McCain, or both. The idea of picking a female VP to swade the Hilary Clinton vote was a good one, but picking her..... Not so much.

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And on a nother note, we now have a President who refuses to put his hand on his heart to the Pledge of Allegiance. I am not fond of this at all.


This is completely and utterly NOT TRUE! This was a lie created by the McCain Campain early on to try and tarnish Barak Obama's Character. It has been proven many times that he does put his hand over his heart. I don't see how people can believe this garbage. Why would someone run for the office of U.S. president knowing that the U.S.citizens would not tolerate it(hand over heart)?Com'on... Does that make any sence to you???
There were so many lies made up by the McCain Campain its not even funny. I believe this is one of many reasons that McCain lost this election. All Palin and Him did was try and slander Obama. They even went as low as to try and claim that his 85yr old grandmother was not a U.S. citizen. That was proven wrong when casted her vote. And whats really sad... She died just a couple days before the election. Now thats playing beyond dirty.

VBBN wrote:[color=#FF0000]Granted, Obama may change this country, and either help it, or hurt it. Let's hope it's the help part of it.


Well,he certianly couldn't do any worse than Bush has, or McCain would have done. But yes, lets hope he can bring the amount of change this country needs.
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Re: Obama is President!

Postby Starwars4J » Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:04 am

Let me just try to clear up a few misconceptions...

5150 Lego wrote:I have to say i am very surprised with the content of the responses to this thread. I guess thats a sign of the media putting in its 2 cents.


??? The media has had nothing but an extremely strong learn towards Obama

If McCain were elected he would have continued to poor money into the war.... A war that at this point has no end in sight. He said himslef that he was going to make the war in Iraq his main priority. That mean the U.S.'s econemy was going to come second. You can't have a strong military if your econemy is weak. That is a known fact no matter what country your from.


I have news for you, Obama's still gonna pour money into the war. We can't just pull out overnight you know. We'll still probably have a presence there when Obama leaves office in 8 years.

Completely usless comparison. To completely differnt countries ran two completely differnt ways. No doubt that if a European Goverment offical tried to run for a postion in the United States with the Pricipals of a european country they wouldn't be given the time of day.


Whether or not Obama would do well in Europe was not his main point though...

Hmm.... Lets see. When democratic Bill clinton left the office of the presidency after serving his term,the U.S. had a Surplus in money. The econemy was at its best, and the U.S was thriving. Then bring in Republican President Gorge Bush


What does that have to do with Clinton or Bush though? Who is president has absolutely nothing to do with how the economy goes. There are natural ups and downs, you can't attribute the rise in gas prices or the crashing of the banks on Bush, it's not like anything happened recently that he did that hasn't been going on for years. Similarly Clinton while many consider a great President, did not give us the surplus. Trust me on this, I went to college with several econ majors who are currently working in D.C. They do know what they're talking about, and they have said that really the President has little effect on the economy. I mean after all the hooting over Obama winning...the market dropped over 500 points. Does that mean it was Obama's fault? Or even Bush? Not at all. Don't get me wrong I'm not defending Bush, but maybe we should stick to blaming him for things he actually did...there's more than enough of that :P

In the 8 years he's been president he's put this country in the most finacial debt its ever been in, has created the worst economic crises since the great depression. So yes, i would say him, along with the republican party are largely responsible for were the U.S. is today.


Again see above, not a word of that is true.

John McCain sided with Bush 90% of the time from everything to tax increases to the war. Electing him would have been another 4 years of Bush, thus another 4 years of debt.


Actually no matter who became President the market would gradually bottom out and then raise again. This isn't the first time this has happened, just the first time you're aware of it.

And how does giving tax breaks to the wealthy help the situation? (this was John McCains plan.)


And giving tax increases to the wealthy just makes things worse. Why? The wealthy are in charge usually. They get taxed more, they increase the price of their services. This has been tried before and has always caused MAJOR inflation, something we desperately don't need right now.

Taking into concideration that America did in fact vote him into office... By a land slide.


One other thing...there was no landslide victory ;) Obama won by a tiny margin. Looking at the popular vote, at the time McCain conceded there was a difference of only 3% of the national vote. Statistically insignificant. Why did he concede then? The electoral college system, the same screwed up system that allowed Bush into office in the first place. Just clearing up that but of myth ;)

Well,he certianly couldn't do any worse than Bush has, or McCain would have done.


To be fair you have absolutely no idea how McCain would have done. He was very respectable in his concession and I would appreciate if people would be respectable towards him. Yes he ran smear campaigns against Obama, but there were also smears by the Obama campaign against him (linking him with Bush was a very, very effective one though). Let's face it, they're both politicians and they both know how to play dirty to get votes. It's the game they all play.

And now to clear up MY misconception:

Sne, really? You have no idea how shocked I am to hear that. One of the major things people were ranting about is how Obama would earn the US the respect of the world. To hear that even people in other countries don't think he's so hot totally blows my mind.
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