Obama is President!

[Benny]

There were so many lies made up by the McCain Campain its not even funny. I believe this is one of many reasons that McCain lost this election. All Palin and Him did was try and slander Obama. They even went as low as to try and claim that his 85yr old grandmother was not a U.S. citizen. That was proven wrong when casted her vote. And whats really sad... She died just a couple days before the election. Now thats playing beyond dirty.
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I agree, I liked that Obama's campaign was way positiver than Mc Cains. I believe in a situation like the one the US is currently in it's only natural that the people want to hear what's positive, what can be done (Yes we can! ) than what terrible dangers there are and the such.
I am not saying that the Democrat campaign didn't throw some dirt towards Mc Cain and most of all Palin (tho browsing her youtube videos really makes one go ), but their main message was better chosen than that of the Republicans.

True that Mc Cains consession speach was his best, nothing of that attitude to put fear into the people's heads, more of hope and the eagerness to make the best of it. That's the spirit I would say.

[Vader]

Ok people just another quick reminder to keep it friendly in here, i have yet to close a bad thread so lets not give me a reason to now.

[snefroe]

And now to clear up MY misconception:

Sne, really? You have no idea how shocked I am to hear that. One of the major things people were ranting about is how Obama would earn the US the respect of the world. To hear that even people in other countries don't think he's so hot totally blows my mind.

nono, you're right, if people in Europe had to chose between Obama and McCain, you'd probably get a result ratio close to 90% -10%. People in Europe would automatically vote democrate. They would have voted for Kerry and Gore in the previous elections too. Most people here don't have a clue about US politics, so the Republicans are associated with Angry Old White Men, always on the look out for a war to fight somewhere on the planet. Republicans are considered egotestic and anti-social. The picture of the Democrates is a bit blurry, but normaly people would say Democrates are far more cooperative with the rest of the world and more social than Republicans. Republicans have such a bad rep here that if we had to chose between the two, Democrates would win every election with their eyes closed. Using the words "socialism" or "socialist" to insult the Democratic candidate does not help either...
However, a few academics and retired politicians have said that McCain as president in the US would probably be better for us, Europeans. The thing is, we, Europeans, forget that the president is first and foremost an American who's going to protect American interests first, then MAYBE think about the situation in the rest of the world. In that regard, the rest of the world usually is better off with a Republican president, because they believe in open markets, in being the leader of the world, and republicans used to be great in book keeping too, before Reagan and Bush junior screwed it up.

What the US is getting from us, is credit, the benefit of the doubt, that's it. We'll give Obama some time to clean up the financial mess, the war in Iraq,... But it's not so difficult to screw up in the eyes of Europe. One of the things we'll be watching veeeeeery closely, is his politics on Israel and Palestine. yes, he's got respect and credit, but it's very easy to lose that pretty quickly.

[xwingyoda]

What I would have really loved to see is a real campaign without all the bullets in McCain's foot Let me explain myself (and I can't stress enough how non biais I am here): it would have been interesting to see the result of the election without the economic crisis (which really helped Obama a lot) and without Palin. I think that the results of the elections would have been totally different

About the economic situation its true that Obama made clearer and better statements but I'm afraid that his politics will be too much "left wing": wirth a French meaning way too socialist (but we'll see on that in a bout a year).

About Palin: here is the truth that the media will never tell you but I know from people very highly placed: the choice of Lieberman was an excellent ticket but the anglican church thought he was not "right wing" enough and told McCain to pick someone else in 2 days or they will torpedo his campaign. So McCain was obliged to choose someone else in 2 days and he had the great idea of picking Palin which totally screwed his chances of election. I mean I know some Rerpublicans who voted Obama because of Palin. Palin herself would have made me vote for Obama. Imagine her president ? OMG, thats would be the worse for the US !!

As a fantastic lover of the US (visited more than 30 states, studied and worked there) I think its a great opportunity to do fantastic things. The only problem is that Obama has 2 years beforre the mid terms, and that is really short, especially since his government won't be fully operational before july/august.

Another thing, I sincerely hope that nothing will happen to Obama before him taking office or we might have Hilary at the White House and that will be baaaaaaaad.

Its always interesting to read real american voters' opinions rather than that stupid French press who was so for Obama because of his skin color and because of the anti Bush politics rather than because of what he can offer to the country: a real shame !! The French press wasn't like that 4 years ago and barely rooted for Kerry... There was absolutely NO Kerrymania I would have voted (if I could) for my Senator at the time I was living in NC: John Edwards

Yoda

[snefroe]

What I would have really loved to see is a real campaign without all the bullets in McCain's foot Let me explain myself (and I can't stress enough how non biais I am here): it would have been interesting to see the result of the election without the economic crisis (which really helped Obama a lot) and without Palin. I think that the results of the elections would have been totally different

About the economic situation its true that Obama made clearer and better statements but I'm afraid that his politics will be too much "left wing": wirth a French meaning way too socialist (but we'll see on that in a bout a year).

About Palin: here is the truth that the media will never tell you but I know from people very highly placed: the choice of Lieberman was an excellent ticket but the anglican church thought he was not "right wing" enough and told McCain to pick someone else in 2 days or they will torpedo his campaign. So McCain was obliged to choose someone else in 2 days and he had the great idea of picking Palin which totally screwed his chances of election. I mean I know some Rerpublicans who voted Obama because of Palin. Palin herself would have made me vote for Obama. Imagine her president ? OMG, thats would be the worse for the US !!

As a fantastic lover of the US (visited more than 30 states, studied and worked there) I think its a great opportunity to do fantastic things. The only problem is that Obama has 2 years beforre the mid terms, and that is really short, especially since his government won't be fully operational before july/august.

Another thing, I sincerely hope that nothing will happen to Obama before him taking office or we might have Hilary at the White House and that will be baaaaaaaad.

Its always interesting to read real american voters' opinions rather than that stupid French press who was so for Obama because of his skin color and because of the anti Bush politics rather than because of what he can offer to the country: a real shame !! The French press wasn't like that 4 years ago and barely rooted for Kerry... There was absolutely NO Kerrymania I would have voted (if I could) for my Senator at the time I was living in NC: John Edwards

Yoda

true, European media has no objectivity when US elections are concerned.
second, I thought, at first, Palin was a smart move. Don't forget that McCain needed some one who's a real conservative and republican, some one that attracts females and young(er) people, because he himself is none of the above. and no, you don't need to be super smart either. George Bush wasn't all that smart either and he was 8 years in the White House... And she got looooooots of media attention, she was even hyped!! Very often, you only get to read about the two presidential candidates, the running mates are basically second-rated people... She turned that around, unfortunately, at some point, she just completely lost it... Lieberman is an old man, you can't focus on a message of "change" with two old men...
third, nope, Obama won't get much time and it remains to be seen what he can do. if he can pull out the troops in 16 months without major problems then that would be a strong message to the public. and then there's financial situation. that'll be difficult for quite some time. It'll be deficit spending for a few more years i guess... so in the first term, i wouldn't expect any positive change in the financial situation of the US. The major challenge, i guess, is to get the economy back and running. I think the Americans are used to having major national debts by now, it doesn't really effect them, high unemployement does, so that should be priority...

[VBBN]

Wow..... As an African American, ya,i do take that as a racist statment.

But instead of throughing a bunch of negative coments your way, but i'll give you a chance to explain this.
Why is it VBBN, in your opinion, that America is not ready for a black president. Taking into concideration that America did in fact vote him into office... By a land slide.

My honest mistake.

What I was meaning to say, was that some Americans just might not be ready for an African-American president. They are the people who think they are better than everyone else, and who don't really think of others. I really don't mind, as it shows that anyone can follow their dream. I was simplly saying, that their might be some people, who just are racist, and will not like him. I do dislike of this, and shall they forever hold their peace.

But on the other hand, you are absolutly right. He was voted in because he was better than McCain, and proved that he would be a good President.


Hope this clears things up.

VBBN

[TrooperDavinFelth]

OK, I have one thing to say. Someone, 5150 Lego I think, said that Barack not putting his hand over his heart was a complete lie. I BEG to differ. Look at this link and look at the third selection. There you can see (fatball)Bill Richardson and(her thighness)Hillary Clinton covering their hearts during the anthem and Obama not.

The video was removed because of(I'd like to say the left wing media ) something at Youtube but that's all I have to say.

By the way, Obama isn't black. He's Caucasian. He's only %3 black.

You know Louis Farrakhan? He called Barack the messiah.

Video Link.

And check out that creepy music in the background.

'When the Messiah speaks, the youth will listen. And the Messiah is absolutely speakin'.'

There's a reason us 'right wing nut jobs' call him Callypso Louie.

[Starwars4J]

By the way, Obama isn't black. He's Caucasian. He's only %3 black.

Hum that's odd, I thought he was 50/50, do you have a reliable source for that?

[TrooperDavinFelth]

By the way, Obama isn't black. He's Caucasian. He's only %3 black.

Hum that's odd, I thought he was 50/50, do you have a reliable source for that?

Actually I don't have a source as of now... It's annoying, trust me. I'd love to prove it...

[5150 Lego]

I have to say i am very surprised with the content of the responses to this thread. I guess thats a sign of the media putting in its 2 cents.

??? The media has had nothing but an extremely strong learn towards Obama

Well, to be honest, i screwed up. I actually had writen somthing else, but had edited it as i wanted to keep this deabte going, and what i had originally writen could have been seen as a personal attack and cause the thread to be closed. What i meant by the content such as "America's not ready for a black president", and "he doesn't put his hand over his heart during the national anthem." Its there were the media(Attually, the McCain campain really) that put in it 2 cents.

I have news for you, Obama's still gonna pour money into the war. We can't just pull out overnight you know. We'll still probably have a presence there when Obama leaves office in 8 years.

Your right, he will poor some money in the war, but i don't seen 10 billion a month like G.W.B. did. Of course it wil take time to leave. Obama siad that the coure will take somewere inthe nieghborhood of 16 months.

Your also right about the U.S. having some presence in Iraq in after he leaves office. We had troops there since the gulf warback in the early 90's.

Whether or not Obama would do well in Europe was not his main point though...

well thats what i was getting from his post. if you got somthing different than great!

What does that have to do with Clinton or Bush though? Who is president has absolutely nothing to do with how the economy goes. There are natural ups and downs, you can't attribute the rise in gas prices or the crashing of the banks on Bush, it's not like anything happened recently that he did that hasn't been going on for years. Similarly Clinton while many consider a great President, did not give us the surplus. Trust me on this, I went to college with several econ majors who are currently working in D.C. They do know what they're talking about, and they have said that really the President has little effect on the economy. I mean after all the hooting over Obama winning...the market dropped over 500 points. Does that mean it was Obama's fault? Or even Bush? Not at all. Don't get me wrong I'm not defending Bush, but maybe we should stick to blaming him for things he actually did...there's more than enough of that
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You do make a good point about the preident and how they affect the ecomeny. No, they aren't pur say directly responsible for for the econemy, but it is there job to step in when signs of it going hill start to arise. Some may argue that it isn't there job, but if thats the case, why did the U.S. goverment just pass the 700 billion (or was it trillion) dollor bail out? And while i don't directly blame bush or his administration for raising gas prises, the war in Iraq surely didn't help. I'll be honest when i say i'm not the best when it comes to political debates, but one thing is for sure, bush and his administration really didn't do to much to help this country in the past 8yrs.

Actually no matter who became President the market would gradually bottom out and then raise again. This isn't the first time this has happened, just the first time you're aware of it.

Of course it has happened before, as it will happen again, just like raising gas prices. But has it been this bad before? Not since the great depression.

[And giving tax increases to the wealthy just makes things worse. Why? The wealthy are in charge usually. They get taxed more, they increase the price of their services. This has been tried before and has always caused MAJOR inflation, something we desperately don't need right now.

Cause the ones who will be taxed can easily afford it. Look, i'm not saying that his plan is perfect. It has flaws, just like McCain's did. To be honest, i don't nessasarly believe that it is there responsiblitly to in a sence "share the wealth" so to speak. I just feel that this is the better of the two.

One other thing...there was no landslide victory Obama won by a tiny margin. Looking at the popular vote, at the time McCain conceded there was a difference of only 3% of the national vote. Statistically insignificant. Why did he concede then? The electoral college system, the same screwed up system that allowed Bush into office in the first place. Just clearing up that but of myth

Buy the next day it was around 6 or 8% of the national vote. Aparently they consider that a landslide. He also came inot the election with a 7 points ahead in the polls (i know that really doesn't matter, but it showed he was the favorite) Either way he won.

To be fair you have absolutely no idea how McCain would have done. He was very respectable in his concession and I would appreciate if people would be respectable towards him. Yes he ran smear campaigns against Obama, but there were also smears by the Obama campaign against him (linking him with Bush was a very, very effective one though). Let's face it, they're both politicians and they both know how to play dirty to get votes. It's the game they all play.

First, let me say that i don't believe at any point did i ever slander McCain. Your right that technicly we don't know how he would have done, but concidering his policies and were he stood on the war effort, i don't feel that he would have done anything great either. Yes he was respectable towards Obama in his concession speech, that seemed to be the only time.
Though both parties smeared each other at one point or another, McCain was alittle too dirty. McCain as well as Palin constantly tried to attack Obama's character. I remember at one Palin rally she got the crowd so fired up,that people started calling Obama a terrorist, and she made no atempt to correct them. If you saw the Political debates thats all McCain/Palin did. And trying to tarnish someones 85yr old grandmother to gain in a political race is down right wrong.
Being that McCain served in the military and had recieved a number of metals, i do have respct for him, and thank him for his servies to our great country. I just don't feel that he was the right choice for President of the United States of America.

My honest mistake.

What I was meaning to say, was that some Americans just might not be ready for an African-American president. They are the people who think they are better than everyone else, and who don't really think of others. I really don't mind, as it shows that anyone can follow their dream. I was simplly saying, that their might be some people, who just are racist, and will not like him. I do dislike of this, and shall they forever hold their peace.

But on the other hand, you are absolutly right. He was voted in because he was better than McCain, and proved that he would be a good President.


Hope this clears things up.

VBBN

Your right, some might not be, but it seems the majority are. There will always be some sort of racisim in the U.S., as well as the rest of the world. thats a fact of life i'm afraid. If he messes up in office, then i'm sure some will blame it because of the color of his skin. Sad, but i think this proves just how far wev'e come!
Weather or not he will be a good president has yet to be seen. I'm bettingthat he will be (and not because of the color of his skin), but because i feel he can bring forth the change this country really needs.

OK, I have one thing to say. Someone, 5150 Lego I think, said that Barack not putting his hand over his heart was a complete lie. I BEG to differ. Look at this link and look at the third selection. There you can see (fatball)Bill Richardson and(her thighness)Hillary Clinton covering their hearts during the anthem and Obama not.

The video was removed because of(I'd like to say the left wing media ) something at Youtube but that's all I have to say.

By the way, Obama isn't black. He's Caucasian. He's only %3 black.

You know Louis Farrakhan? He called Barack the messiah.

Though the video isn't there, i do remeber seeing one exactly of what your discribing. It was removed because it was found to be a frauded video. Anyways, i remeber years back president bush was scene without his hand over his heart one time during the national anthem, and people made a fus over that. It was somthing made up to try and deminish his (Obama's) Character. He does put his hand over his heart, he is not Muslim, and he was sworn in as a senater by the bible.


As far as him being only 3% black, i don't know about that. His father was born and rasied in Kenya, and it was said that he was (his Father) the first of his family to come to the U.S. I don't see him only being 3% black. Even if he was, it dosen't matter. The people of the United States of America, a place were it was once ileagal for people of color to sit in the front of a bus, use the same water fountains as caucasian people, go to the same school as caucasion people, were it was once leagal to own slaves (predomently african) has just voted in a man of African American heratage, with an African American name to the most powerfull postion in the United States goverment. While i'd like to say that it doesn't matter and it really shouldn't matter, it really does. It goes to show just how far this country has come! While i don't believe that racsisim is completely gone, nor do i believe that it will ever intirely be ridden of, weather you'd like to admit it or not, this is a huge, huge step in overcoming it!

[TrooperDavinFelth]

I have to say i am very surprised with the content of the responses to this thread. I guess thats a sign of the media putting in its 2 cents.

??? The media has had nothing but an extremely strong learn towards Obama

Well, to be honest, i screwed up. I actually had writen somthing else, but had edited it as i wanted to keep this deabte going, and what i had originally writen could have been seen as a personal attack and cause the thread to be closed. What i meant by the content such as "America's not ready for a black president", and "he doesn't put his hand over his heart during the national anthem." Its there were the media(Attually, the McCain campain really) that put in it 2 cents.

Oh give me a break.

Have you ever heard of MSNBC?

Chris Matthews on seeing Obama speak: Oh, I've got a thrill running up my leg!

Keith Olbermann on the Palin pick: Sarah Palin: Was it the worst vice presidential pick EVER? Will her drastic inexperience and potential stupidity cost McCain the election?

Chuck Todd on seeing a few polls: The election is over; McCain doesen't have a prayer against Obama.

The media has been EXCESSIVELY biased in support of Obama.

Let's be honest: There's a reason Democrats are afraid to go on Fox News: Because it is fair and balanced and they HATE that. They only go on MSNBC and CNN and other places where they can get softball questions that advance their campaign. Bill O'reilly isn't my idea of a blazing conservative and his interview left a few pieces left out, but at least it was balanced. Sigh.

I have news for you, Obama's still gonna pour money into the war. We can't just pull out overnight you know. We'll still probably have a presence there when Obama leaves office in 8 years.

Your right, he will poor some money in the war, but i don't seen 10 billion a month like G.W.B. did. Of course it wil take time to leave. Obama siad that the coure will take somewere inthe nieghborhood of 16 months.

Your also right about the U.S. having some presence in Iraq in after he leaves office. We had troops there since the gulf warback in the early 90's.

Really? You think so? I agree that we can't pull out overnight, but I'd be surprised if he poured money into it. Look at Harry Reid: Every other chance he has he wants to cut funding for the troops.

Whether or not Obama would do well in Europe was not his main point though...

well thats what i was getting from his post. if you got somthing different than great!

What does that have to do with Clinton or Bush though? Who is president has absolutely nothing to do with how the economy goes. There are natural ups and downs, you can't attribute the rise in gas prices or the crashing of the banks on Bush, it's not like anything happened recently that he did that hasn't been going on for years. Similarly Clinton while many consider a great President, did not give us the surplus. Trust me on this, I went to college with several econ majors who are currently working in D.C. They do know what they're talking about, and they have said that really the President has little effect on the economy. I mean after all the hooting over Obama winning...the market dropped over 500 points. Does that mean it was Obama's fault? Or even Bush? Not at all. Don't get me wrong I'm not defending Bush, but maybe we should stick to blaming him for things he actually did...there's more than enough of that
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You do make a good point about the preident and how they affect the ecomeny. No, they aren't pur say directly responsible for for the econemy, but it is there job to step in when signs of it going hill start to arise. Some may argue that it isn't there job, but if thats the case, why did the U.S. goverment just pass the 700 billion (or was it trillion) dollor bail out? And while i don't directly blame bush or his administration for raising gas prises, the war in Iraq surely didn't help. I'll be honest when i say i'm not the best when it comes to political debates, but one thing is for sure, bush and his administration really didn't do to much to help this country in the past 8yrs.

Billion.

And to be fair, Bush WANTED to cut taxes but let's be realistic: That Democratic Congress wouldn't let him cut one inch of taxes. He tried to cut taxes EVERYWHERE; that was basic American leadership and compassion, but the Democrats wouldn't let him cut taxes on the middle class and the poor, so he could only cut taxes on the wealthy. Of course the Dems let him do that because it'd make him look bad and give their nominee some talking points.

Actually no matter who became President the market would gradually bottom out and then raise again. This isn't the first time this has happened, just the first time you're aware of it.

Of course it has happened before, as it will happen again, just like raising gas prices. But has it been this bad before? Not since the great depression.

Franklin Raines.

All I got to say.

[And giving tax increases to the wealthy just makes things worse. Why? The wealthy are in charge usually. They get taxed more, they increase the price of their services. This has been tried before and has always caused MAJOR inflation, something we desperately don't need right now.

Cause the ones who will be taxed can easily afford it. Look, i'm not saying that his plan is perfect. It has flaws, just like McCain's did. To be honest, i don't nessasarly believe that it is there responsiblitly to in a sence "share the wealth" so to speak. I just feel that this is the better of the two.

Obama has already said he wants to rebuild the economy from the bottom up. Agreed?

What does that mean, exactly? Well, as you heard no doubt in his victory speach he said 'There will be sacrifices along the way; you will have to sacrifice'. No cheers for that.

He will start by taxing the rich AND the middle class and giving it all to the jobless poor. The jobless poor will spend it right up and that means NO one will have money.

Basically his plan isn't to create wealth which McCain's plan would've done, rather, to make EVERYONE ELSE as poor as the poor of the country.

One other thing...there was no landslide victory Obama won by a tiny margin. Looking at the popular vote, at the time McCain conceded there was a difference of only 3% of the national vote. Statistically insignificant. Why did he concede then? The electoral college system, the same screwed up system that allowed Bush into office in the first place. Just clearing up that but of myth

Buy the next day it was around 6 or 8% of the national vote. Aparently they consider that a landslide. He also came inot the election with a 7 points ahead in the polls (i know that really doesn't matter, but it showed he was the favorite) Either way he won.

Yeah; only a few million. It's only in the electoral votes that they consider it a landslide, but when you get right down to it the popular vote it was REALLY close. About as close as when Bush beat Kerry.

To be fair you have absolutely no idea how McCain would have done. He was very respectable in his concession and I would appreciate if people would be respectable towards him. Yes he ran smear campaigns against Obama, but there were also smears by the Obama campaign against him (linking him with Bush was a very, very effective one though). Let's face it, they're both politicians and they both know how to play dirty to get votes. It's the game they all play.

First, let me say that i don't believe at any point did i ever slander McCain. Your right that technicly we don't know how he would have done, but concidering his policies and were he stood on the war effort, i don't feel that he would have done anything great either. Yes he was respectable towards Obama in his concession speech, that seemed to be the only time.
Though both parties smeared each other at one point or another, McCain was alittle too dirty. McCain as well as Palin constantly tried to attack Obama's character. I remember at one Palin rally she got the crowd so fired up,that people started calling Obama a terrorist, and she made no atempt to correct them. If you saw the Political debates thats all McCain/Palin did. And trying to tarnish someones 85yr old grandmother to gain in a political race is down right wrong.
Being that McCain served in the military and had recieved a number of metals, i do have respct for him, and thank him for his servies to our great country. I just don't feel that he was the right choice for President of the United States of America.

He didn't smear Obama. Never did. Only pointed out facts about Obama's past and his voting record, and if that's smearing, then campaigning be damned.

How was he dirty? He only pointed out facts. It was Obama who was pretending to sound better; notice how only now that he's won he starts talking about sacrifice.

Yeah, I saw that rally. Those screams were inserted by a video; no one said that. Palin isn't that dirty. Sheez.

What is all that McCain and Palin did? In my opinion, first off, McCain failed in the first two debates and that's one of the two things that brought the campaign down. Palin smoked Biden in her debate; Biden got away with 14 lies in that whole debate.

What did McCain/Palin say about his grandmother? It was Obama who called her his 'old racist white grandmother', not McCain or Palin.

My honest mistake.

What I was meaning to say, was that some Americans just might not be ready for an African-American president. They are the people who think they are better than everyone else, and who don't really think of others. I really don't mind, as it shows that anyone can follow their dream. I was simplly saying, that their might be some people, who just are racist, and will not like him. I do dislike of this, and shall they forever hold their peace.

But on the other hand, you are absolutly right. He was voted in because he was better than McCain, and proved that he would be a good President.


Hope this clears things up.

VBBN

Your right, some might not be, but it seems the majority are. There will always be some sort of racisim in the U.S., as well as the rest of the world. thats a fact of life i'm afraid. If he messes up in office, then i'm sure some will blame it because of the color of his skin. Sad, but i think this proves just how far wev'e come!
Weather or not he will be a good president has yet to be seen. I'm bettingthat he will be (and not because of the color of his skin), but because i feel he can bring forth the change this country really needs.

Actually, %20 of conservatives voted for Obama. Why? Well, in the early days of McCain winning the nomination big conservative names like Ann Coulter and Mark Levin weren't too happy about the nomination. Neither was I. Palin got MOST of that crowd up and at 'em, but not enough I guess.

Absolutely NO ONE will blame it on his race. For pete's sake, haven't you been watching the media coverage? Every 'attack' or critiscism on Obama is labeled racist; the media's gonna defend him all the way; same for the Senate and House.

OK, I have one thing to say. Someone, 5150 Lego I think, said that Barack not putting his hand over his heart was a complete lie. I BEG to differ. Look at this link and look at the third selection. There you can see (fatball)Bill Richardson and(her thighness)Hillary Clinton covering their hearts during the anthem and Obama not.

The video was removed because of(I'd like to say the left wing media ) something at Youtube but that's all I have to say.

By the way, Obama isn't black. He's Caucasian. He's only %3 black.

You know Louis Farrakhan? He called Barack the messiah.

Though the video isn't there, i do remeber seeing one exactly of what your discribing. It was removed because it was found to be a frauded video. Anyways, i remeber years back president bush was scene without his hand over his heart one time during the national anthem, and people made a fus over that. It was somthing made up to try and deminish his (Obama's) Character. He does put his hand over his heart, he is not Muslim, and he was sworn in as a senater by the bible.

How could it have POSSIBLY been frauded? I saw it myself and he was standing there like anyone else; you even saw a whole bunch of other Democrats like Biden, Edwards, Kerry, and that little twerp. It was NOT made up, it DID happen, and that's the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Really? I'd like to see that video; at the moment it seems I have the upper hand, eh? I have proof, you don't, hmm?

Gosh dang it, when did I say he was a Muslim? Going a little on the defensive, are we?

As far as him being only 3% black, i don't know about that. His father was born and rasied in Kenya, and it was said that he was (his Father) the first of his family to come to the U.S. I don't see him only being 3% black. Even if he was, it dosen't matter. The people of the United States of America, a place were it was once ileagal for people of color to sit in the front of a bus, use the same water fountains as caucasian people, go to the same school as caucasion people, were it was once leagal to own slaves (predomently african) has just voted in a man of African American heratage, with an African American name to the most powerfull postion in the United States goverment. While i'd like to say that it doesn't matter and it really shouldn't matter, it really does. It goes to show just how far this country has come! While i don't believe that racsisim is completely gone, nor do i believe that it will ever intirely be ridden of, weather you'd like to admit it or not, this is a huge, huge step in overcoming it!

[b]Oh, I didn't mean it THAT way. I'm just saying his skin certainly isn't as dark as say Al Sharpton or Louis Farrakhan.

I don't think racism will be completely gone; people in the left wing media will constantly try and make it look like it's still alive and well and of course blame it on the Republicans.

[5150 Lego]

Oh give me a break.

Have you ever heard of MSNBC?

Chris Matthews on seeing Obama speak: Oh, I've got a thrill running up my leg!

Keith Olbermann on the Palin pick: Sarah Palin: Was it the worst vice presidential pick EVER? Will her drastic inexperience and potential stupidity cost McCain the election?

Chuck Todd on seeing a few polls: The election is over; McCain doesen't have a prayer against Obama.

The media has been EXCESSIVELY biased in support of Obama.

Dude, your note getting it are you? I was talking about coments in this thread. The black president coment and hand over the flag thing are things LIKE the media and the McCain campain taking affect on the American public. Get it staight.

Let's be honest: There's a reason Democrats are afraid to go on Fox News: Because it is fair and balanced and they HATE that. They only go on MSNBC and CNN and other places where they can get softball questions that advance their campaign. Bill O'reilly isn't my idea of a blazing conservative and his interview left a few pieces left out, but at least it was balanced. Sigh.

Ya ok. And i have a bridge in new york i can sell you too..

Obama has already said he wants to rebuild the economy from the bottom up. Agreed?

What does that mean, exactly? Well, as you heard no doubt in his victory speach he said 'There will be sacrifices along the way; you will have to sacrifice'. No cheers for that.

He will start by taxing the rich AND the middle class and giving it all to the jobless poor. The jobless poor will spend it right up and that means NO one will have money.

Basically his plan isn't to create wealth which McCain's plan would've done, rather, to make EVERYONE ELSE as poor as the poor of the country.

PArt of Obama's plan to tax the wealthy was to provide health care for america. McCain's plan was too increase taxes on everyone (even though he never admitted that) and give everyone a $5,000 check to get there own health care. I've already gone into...
1.-thats not nearly enough for even a single healthy individual to get decent health care in the U.S.
2.- at least with Obama's plan health care would be provided. Do you really think thatif people were just given $5,000 check there just going to out and buy health care? my guess is most wouldn't since the $5,000 wouldn't be enough anyways.

And on another note, McCain said up intill the first debateand consittantly said that the econemy was fundamentaly sound. Sorry, but i'm not going to buy into any plan that someone basicly comes up with within a week. if your that blind of whats going on around you then thats not someone i would trust to be comander in chief of our nation.

He didn't smear Obama. Never did. Only pointed out facts about Obama's past and his voting record, and if that's smearing, then campaigning be damned.

How was he dirty? He only pointed out facts. It was Obama who was pretending to sound better; notice how only now that he's won he starts talking about sacrifice.

Yeah, I saw that rally. Those screams were inserted by a video; no one said that. Palin isn't that dirty. Sheez.

What is all that McCain and Palin did? In my opinion, first off, McCain failed in the first two debates and that's one of the two things that brought the campaign down. Palin smoked Biden in her debate; Biden got away with 14 lies in that whole debate.

What did McCain/Palin say about his grandmother? It was Obama who called her his 'old racist white grandmother', not McCain or Palin.

Because most were complete lies. And i hope your not taking about one rally, cause there were several Palin rallies were people were sreaming out terrorist coments about Obama, and other rediculous acusations. Palin is that dirty, she is IMO, a horrible person. Also, she did not smake Biden in the debate. Did she do well? I'll give her that. But Biden also had to be very conservative in the debate other wise he was going to come off as "the big bully" to the young inexperianced female.
The acusations about his grandmother were that she wasn't a U.S. citizen, so in that remark, Obama must not be one either. Alos you bring up about what smearing did McCain and his campain do? Constantly acuse Obama of not being a legal U.S. citizen maybe?
Again,i'm not saying that the Obama campain is totally inocent either. But lies like the flag, citizenship, grandmother and so on are not characteristics of someone i want as the president.

Actually, %20 of conservatives voted for Obama. Why? Well, in the early days of McCain winning the nomination big conservative names like Ann Coulter and Mark Levin weren't too happy about the nomination. Neither was I. Palin got MOST of that crowd up and at 'em, but not enough I guess.

Absolutely NO ONE will blame it on his race. For pete's sake, haven't you been watching the media coverage? Every 'attack' or critiscism on Obama is labeled racist; the media's gonna defend him all the way; same for the Senate and House.

Your got getting my point. Will the media blame it on his race if he doen't do well? Of course not. I never meant the media. What i was getting at (and i believe VBBN as well) is that there still don't want to see a man of color in the white house and racist people in the world that would try and use that as an excuse. of course that would be a rediculous acusation, as the color of ones skin in no way could reflect how they perform there work.

How could it have POSSIBLY been frauded? I saw it myself and he was standing there like anyone else; you even saw a whole bunch of other Democrats like Biden, Edwards, Kerry, and that little twerp. It was NOT made up, it DID happen, and that's the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Really? I'd like to see that video; at the moment it seems I have the upper hand, eh? I have proof, you don't, hmm?

Gosh dang it, when did I say he was a Muslim? Going a little on the defensive, are we?

Firt off, you don't have the upper hand, cause you don't have any proof. The video your referring to is not there. So maybe it wasn't the same video.
As far as the Muslim coment, no you didn't say he was muslim, but i wanted to cut that in the event it started to go there since that was one of the many lies created by the McCain campain. Anyways, quite frankly even if the video was found, it wouldn't matter nor would i care at this point. I have scene him put his hand over his heart.

[b]Oh, I didn't mean it THAT way. I'm just saying his skin certainly isn't as dark as say Al Sharpton or Louis Farrakhan.

Then why would you have loved to prove it(it being the 3%)?

I don't think racism will be completely gone; people in the left wing media will constantly try and make it look like it's still alive and well and of course blame it on the Republicans.

Thats cause it still is alive. Though this election is proof that were taking a major step in overcoming it.

Look, bottom line is Obama won, and he will be the next President of the United States. Bitching and complaining at this point will do nothing. Is he perfect? No. I don't believe no man is. Will he make mistakes along the way? Lets hope nothing that will cause anything major. Lets pray that he can do the change this country needs to help get it back on its feet. I believe he does, other wise i wouldn't have voted for him, regardless of the color of his skin.

[Grevious]

Woah, we can discuss politics on Brickhorizon? Awesome.

Anyway, I must say that I'm very disapointed in this election. America has spoken, and sadly, they have chosen a person who barely has half a year's experience in congress and is one of the most liberal politicians in this country. Worse, they chose him over a person who is a war hero, has served in congress for twenty years, and has a reputation for standing out against what he believes is wrong instead of going along with the flow.

But what upsets me most is why Obama won. Yes, lots of people voted for him, but the reason behind it is what is disapointing. This election has, more than any other election, been decided by what the politicians promise to do for everyone, not what they stand for. The majority of people voted for the canidate who they thought would give them the most goodies, which on the surface sure sounds like Obama. They didn't care about the wars we are fighting, the enviroment, the energy crisis, or even very controversial issues like abortion and gay mariage. These people voted based on who they "thought" would fix the economy. Honestly, I feel that because of america's immense wealth, this country has become selfish and self-centered, to the point where their pocketbook matters far more than any other issue.

Another thing that sickens me is how awful the american media has become. Time magazine ran a cover story about Obama with the title "A savior is born." NBC news ran 3 stories on Sarah Palin's "shocking secrets," but none about Joe Biden's numerous gaffs (his inability to correctly identify the number of letters in the word "jobs" is just sad). They've all been Obamaphiles from the start, and now that the elections are over, their failed attempts to try to make Obama's every move look inteligent and experienced makes me laugh. As Sean Hannidy has said, "2008 will be the known as the year journalism died."

BTW, I personally would not be scared if Sarah Palin was president. She has 2 years of highly positive executive experience, while Obama currently has none. She's also very alligned with my views on issues, and she's just as good a speaker as Obama. Besides, that probably wouldn't have happened if Mcain had won - she's only a vice president canidate, after all. Besides, I do not trust Joe Biden in the least, so thinking about him possibly being president scares me far more.

Oh well, at least after the country starts falling apart with the king of politician newbs in charge, America will probably straighten out and get smart. This could be the very thing my country needs - a proverbial "shot in the leg" to make people start thinking about more than themselves and their wallets.

[xwingyoda]

Really interesting debate guys, I really enjoy reading US citizen's opinion because I'm sick of the French media covarage which is ignorant of the US culture (and what have you) and which is so baised (I never saw them root for Kerry and we know Europe is far more Democrat than Republican). But please relieve the tension guys, heated discussions are great but lets not heat them that much Tks in advance

What i was getting at (and i believe VBBN as well) is that there still don't want to see a man of color in the white house and racist people in the world that would try and use that as an excuse. of course that would be a rediculous acusation, as the color of ones skin in no way could reflect how they perform there work.

Off course BUT since America is a pretty racist country the color of his skin will be used against him IF the results are not there or if he displeases the Americans which is a darn shame off course. If he suceeds (and off course I want him to succeed for America and the rest of the world) his color is not an issue but if he fails it will be an issue and that will be bad because that means there won't be another black president for a very long time.

Look, bottom line is Obama won, and he will be the next President of the United States. Bitching and complaining at this point will do nothing. Is he perfect? No. I don't believe no man is. Will he make mistakes along the way? Lets hope nothing that will cause anything major. Lets pray that he can do the change this country needs to help get it back on its feet. I believe he does, other wise i wouldn't have voted for him, regardless of the color of his skin.

Off course !! Like I said previously I want him to succeed. And lets use this thread to comment on future nominations and interesting and important decisions

Yoda

[TrooperDavinFelth]

Oh give me a break.

Have you ever heard of MSNBC?

Chris Matthews on seeing Obama speak: Oh, I've got a thrill running up my leg!

Keith Olbermann on the Palin pick: Sarah Palin: Was it the worst vice presidential pick EVER? Will her drastic inexperience and potential stupidity cost McCain the election?

Chuck Todd on seeing a few polls: The election is over; McCain doesen't have a prayer against Obama.

The media has been EXCESSIVELY biased in support of Obama.

Dude, your note getting it are you? I was talking about coments in this thread. The black president coment and hand over the flag thing are things LIKE the media and the McCain campain taking affect on the American public. Get it staight.

[b]So... The comments in this thread were so biased towards McCain, they affected the American public to... Vote for Obama? Eh? I really don't get it at all.

Also, any 'smearing' that the McCain campaign didn't( ) do makes up for the bias of the media.

Let's be honest: There's a reason Democrats are afraid to go on Fox News: Because it is fair and balanced and they HATE that. They only go on MSNBC and CNN and other places where they can get softball questions that advance their campaign. Bill O'reilly isn't my idea of a blazing conservative and his interview left a few pieces left out, but at least it was balanced. Sigh.[/b]

Ya ok. And i have a bridge in new york i can sell you too..

Sold! To the man in the sandtrooper armor!

I'm assuming your joke was completely disregarding and dismissing all the truth I said, right?

Obama has already said he wants to rebuild the economy from the bottom up. Agreed?

What does that mean, exactly? Well, as you heard no doubt in his victory speach he said 'There will be sacrifices along the way; you will have to sacrifice'. No cheers for that.

He will start by taxing the rich AND the middle class and giving it all to the jobless poor. The jobless poor will spend it right up and that means NO one will have money.

Basically his plan isn't to create wealth which McCain's plan would've done, rather, to make EVERYONE ELSE as poor as the poor of the country.

PArt of Obama's plan to tax the wealthy was to provide health care for america. McCain's plan was too increase taxes on everyone (even though he never admitted that) and give everyone a $5,000 check to get there own health care. I've already gone into...
1.-thats not nearly enough for even a single healthy individual to get decent health care in the U.S.
2.- at least with Obama's plan health care would be provided. Do you really think thatif people were just given $5,000 check there just going to out and buy health care? my guess is most wouldn't since the $5,000 wouldn't be enough anyways.

And on another note, McCain said up intill the first debateand consittantly said that the econemy was fundamentaly sound. Sorry, but i'm not going to buy into any plan that someone basicly comes up with within a week. if your that blind of whats going on around you then thats not someone i would trust to be comander in chief of our nation.

I say no taxes on anyone who WORKS! We should ENCOURAGE job growth, not just punish those who DO perform a job and earn money and then take it away from them to give to the bums who have no job because they didn't go to college.
McCain was NEVER going to raise ANYONE'S taxes. Where'd you hear that, I wonder?
About healthcare: I say that's plenty of money! Really, what healthcare system costs THAT much?
In response to your points: 1. I disagree. 2. It'd be provided, but it wouldn't be accessible. Think about it: Government hospitals going up everywhere, and hundreds of people in each city and town in the country flocking to them in search of care they won't find. Why? How can I be so pessimistic, do you ask? Simple. Obama's gonna tax the healthcare company which means it'll lose jobs because they won't be able to pay workers as much. And if workers are SO poor/uncaring about being payed or about their jobs, what makes that quality healthcare?
I say if you deserve healthcare and if you work hard at your job you can earn it! The jobless shouldn't be given healthcare on a silver platter: They should be encouraged to work hard and prosper!
Nah, during the first two debates, I wasn't impressed with McCain at all. So I have to concede there.

He didn't smear Obama. Never did. Only pointed out facts about Obama's past and his voting record, and if that's smearing, then campaigning be damned.

How was he dirty? He only pointed out facts. It was Obama who was pretending to sound better; notice how only now that he's won he starts talking about sacrifice.

Yeah, I saw that rally. Those screams were inserted by a video; no one said that. Palin isn't that dirty. Sheez.

What is all that McCain and Palin did? In my opinion, first off, McCain failed in the first two debates and that's one of the two things that brought the campaign down. Palin smoked Biden in her debate; Biden got away with 14 lies in that whole debate.

What did McCain/Palin say about his grandmother? It was Obama who called her his 'old racist white grandmother', not McCain or Palin.

Because most were complete lies. And i hope your not taking about one rally, cause there were several Palin rallies were people were sreaming out terrorist coments about Obama, and other rediculous acusations. Palin is that dirty, she is IMO, a horrible person. Also, she did not smake Biden in the debate. Did she do well? I'll give her that. But Biden also had to be very conservative in the debate other wise he was going to come off as "the big bully" to the young inexperianced female.
The acusations about his grandmother were that she wasn't a U.S. citizen, so in that remark, Obama must not be one either. Alos you bring up about what smearing did McCain and his campain do? Constantly acuse Obama of not being a legal U.S. citizen maybe?
Again,i'm not saying that the Obama campain is totally inocent either. But lies like the flag, citizenship, grandmother and so on are not characteristics of someone i want as the president.

Nothing was a lie. Tell me one accusation that was a lie. Go ahead. I can't wait!
Bah, I heard all those. 'Kill Him', 'Obama's a terrorist', whatever. THEY ARE FAKE! THE DAMN STATION CONFESSED TO IT!

Sorry.

And what makes her so horrible? Joe Biden's the stupidest man alive and, as Greivous so wittily pointed out, can't even tell how many letters are in the word 'jobs'. Plus he uses hair plugs. EPIC fail right there.
About the grandmother: Who says because a parent or grandparent's not a citizen, the child isn't one either? I didn't hear that law passed.
The McCain campaign NEVER ONCE accused Obama of not being a citizen. So it's not a lie at all because it never happened. And the flag stuff, citizen stuff, grandmother stuff, all that NEVER happened. I need proof.

Actually, %20 of conservatives voted for Obama. Why? Well, in the early days of McCain winning the nomination big conservative names like Ann Coulter and Mark Levin weren't too happy about the nomination. Neither was I. Palin got MOST of that crowd up and at 'em, but not enough I guess.

Absolutely NO ONE will blame it on his race. For pete's sake, haven't you been watching the media coverage? Every 'attack' or critiscism on Obama is labeled racist; the media's gonna defend him all the way; same for the Senate and House.

Your got getting my point. Will the media blame it on his race if he doen't do well? Of course not. I never meant the media. What i was getting at (and i believe VBBN as well) is that there still don't want to see a man of color in the white house and racist people in the world that would try and use that as an excuse. of course that would be a rediculous acusation, as the color of ones skin in no way could reflect how they perform there work.

Well, there is no doubt that seeing a man of color in the White House has or will lessen the respect given to us by other nations, but I just don't see who would make that accusation at all.

How could it have POSSIBLY been frauded? I saw it myself and he was standing there like anyone else; you even saw a whole bunch of other Democrats like Biden, Edwards, Kerry, and that little twerp. It was NOT made up, it DID happen, and that's the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Really? I'd like to see that video; at the moment it seems I have the upper hand, eh? I have proof, you don't, hmm?

Gosh dang it, when did I say he was a Muslim? Going a little on the defensive, are we?

Firt off, you don't have the upper hand, cause you don't have any proof. The video your referring to is not there. So maybe it wasn't the same video.
As far as the Muslim coment, no you didn't say he was muslim, but i wanted to cut that in the event it started to go there since that was one of the many lies created by the McCain campain. Anyways, quite frankly even if the video was found, it wouldn't matter nor would i care at this point. I have scene him put his hand over his heart.

I showed you the video! Look at the spoiler picture: You can see it right there; he's standing next to Richardson and Clinton and he doesen't have it up. And if that's not proof for you then too bad because I saw it, and it's my word against yours, and no one has the upper hand in that aspect.

I'm sure you've seen him put his hand over is heart, only after his campaign buddies pulled him over and said 'What the hell do you think you're doing? They'll see that! I know you hate doing it; just put up the hand!'

JEEZ! WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN HEARING ABOUT ALL THESE LIES? The McCain campaign NEVER said anything of the sort. And if they did it was a mere question. Questions aren't accusations; that's an important point.

Oh, I didn't mean it THAT way. I'm just saying his skin certainly isn't as dark as say Al Sharpton or Louis Farrakhan.

Then why would you have loved to prove it(it being the 3%)?

[b]Oh, because everyone's saying he's the first black president.

And to make Bill Clinton happy. Lol!

I don't think racism will be completely gone; people in the left wing media will constantly try and make it look like it's still alive and well and of course blame it on the Republicans.

Thats cause it still is alive. Though this election is proof that were taking a major step in overcoming it.

Actually I disagree AND agree. Half of the people who voted for him voted on race, one quarter voted because they were conservatives who were discouraged, and the other quarter voted on issue. Really, just think how many black people(now now, no offense intended) said OMG BLACK MAN I GOTS TO VOTE FOR HIM.

I'm quite serious.

Look, bottom line is Obama won, and he will be the next President of the United States. Bitching and complaining at this point will do nothing. Is he perfect? No. I don't believe no man is. Will he make mistakes along the way? Lets hope nothing that will cause anything major. Lets pray that he can do the change this country needs to help get it back on its feet. I believe he does, other wise i wouldn't have voted for him, regardless of the color of his skin.

Jeez, I know he won. I know he's not perfect. No need to be so dismissive. Did I say something you... Didn't want to see, perhaps? Something that could be a nagging doubt you've been thinking about for a long time? Hmm? HMM?



Sorry about that; I couldn't resist.

But I'm not complaining about him: I'm complaining that you think he's right and I'm just trying to show you the light.

And I will pray that he doesen't raise taxes on the middle class... The country won't HAVE a prayer if he tries that...

But please relieve the tension guys, heated discussions are great but lets not heat them that much Tks in advance

Yes, I agree. Remember, these discussions should never affect our friendliness and community in the Lego World, right?

Also, kudos to Greivous for being awesome.